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		<title>By: Oakland Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Brooks is he tells it like it is.  Thus, he has no chance of being elected governor in this State since the residents prefer to re-elect the same bozos who have created this mess, twiddled their thumbs for the last 5  years and are unwilling to make the tough and unpopular decisions needed to fix it.

The best thing that could happen to Michigan would be Brooks as governor - unfortunately I&#039;ve lost hope that will ever happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Brooks is he tells it like it is.  Thus, he has no chance of being elected governor in this State since the residents prefer to re-elect the same bozos who have created this mess, twiddled their thumbs for the last 5  years and are unwilling to make the tough and unpopular decisions needed to fix it.</p>
<p>The best thing that could happen to Michigan would be Brooks as governor &#8211; unfortunately I&#8217;ve lost hope that will ever happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Correcting Info</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Correcting Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, you are wrong and you will see.  Have you looked at the county millage rates in the area?  Oakland County has the third lowest operating millage rate of all counties in the state, so it already compensated for the higher home values.

And, while the housing values were high (emphasize on &quot;were&quot;), overall taxable values decreased in Oakland County last year in 2008 and will decrease again in 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, you are wrong and you will see.  Have you looked at the county millage rates in the area?  Oakland County has the third lowest operating millage rate of all counties in the state, so it already compensated for the higher home values.</p>
<p>And, while the housing values were high (emphasize on &#8220;were&#8221;), overall taxable values decreased in Oakland County last year in 2008 and will decrease again in 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Donn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1197</link>
		<dc:creator>Donn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right that I should have double checked my facts because I got the info, incorrectly, from a bad source (a webpage on http://www.mitaxtruth.com).  You can bet I will do that from now on, so I apologize for that huge error.

As for being wrong on my assessment that Oakland County&#039;s wealthy citizens help to bring in more tax revenues, again I stand by that claim.  Even though the property values are falling there just like every other county, the richest people also have most expensive houses!  So then that means that county enjoys a higher taxation income as well.  Does not really take a rocket scientist to understand that equation now does it?

If you believe what that this writer had to say back on 8/22/08, you will hear that even wealthy Oakland County is not going to continue to be “sitting pretty” with all their budgeting magic:
“Oakland County had more than 14,000 home foreclosure and foreclosure filings (homes on which banks have begun, but not completed, the foreclosure process). Deputy Oakland County Executive Bob Daddow said in January that declines in home values are expected to cost Oakland County government $5.7 million in 2008, $6.8 million in 2009 and $13.3 million in 2010 – a gap that will need to be made up either by shrinking services or higher taxes.”
From: http://michiganmessenger.com/2772/michigans-battleground-zero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that I should have double checked my facts because I got the info, incorrectly, from a bad source (a webpage on <a href="http://www.mitaxtruth.com)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitaxtruth.com)</a>.  You can bet I will do that from now on, so I apologize for that huge error.</p>
<p>As for being wrong on my assessment that Oakland County&#8217;s wealthy citizens help to bring in more tax revenues, again I stand by that claim.  Even though the property values are falling there just like every other county, the richest people also have most expensive houses!  So then that means that county enjoys a higher taxation income as well.  Does not really take a rocket scientist to understand that equation now does it?</p>
<p>If you believe what that this writer had to say back on 8/22/08, you will hear that even wealthy Oakland County is not going to continue to be “sitting pretty” with all their budgeting magic:<br />
“Oakland County had more than 14,000 home foreclosure and foreclosure filings (homes on which banks have begun, but not completed, the foreclosure process). Deputy Oakland County Executive Bob Daddow said in January that declines in home values are expected to cost Oakland County government $5.7 million in 2008, $6.8 million in 2009 and $13.3 million in 2010 – a gap that will need to be made up either by shrinking services or higher taxes.”<br />
From: <a href="http://michiganmessenger.com/2772/michigans-battleground-zero" rel="nofollow">http://michiganmessenger.com/2772/michigans-battleground-zero</a></p>
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		<title>By: Correcting Info</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1195</link>
		<dc:creator>Correcting Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before people blog, they should get their facts right.

The State of Michigan&#039;s budget in 2008 was $43 Billion (with a &quot;B&quot;, not million).

You are wrong about translating Oakland County&#039;s &quot;wealth&quot; into meaning that the County can spend that &quot;wealth&quot;.  The &quot;wealth&quot; that you refer to is per capita income - the County does not have an income tax, so that does not translate directly into tax revenue.  The largest part of Oakland County&#039;s discretionary General Fund budget come from property tax, and in fact, guess what - property values are falling.  So, yes, Oakland County has been cutting its budget - check your facts and you&#039;ll see that the County started its budget cutting back in 2002 and has been doing so each and every year since then.  The difference is that the County does multi-year budgeting, plans ahead, and started cutting earlier than everyone else.  You just don&#039;t notice it because since the county started earlier, it hasn&#039;t disrupted citizen services as has happened in other communities, simply because those other communities ignored reality and waited until it was too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before people blog, they should get their facts right.</p>
<p>The State of Michigan&#8217;s budget in 2008 was $43 Billion (with a &#8220;B&#8221;, not million).</p>
<p>You are wrong about translating Oakland County&#8217;s &#8220;wealth&#8221; into meaning that the County can spend that &#8220;wealth&#8221;.  The &#8220;wealth&#8221; that you refer to is per capita income &#8211; the County does not have an income tax, so that does not translate directly into tax revenue.  The largest part of Oakland County&#8217;s discretionary General Fund budget come from property tax, and in fact, guess what &#8211; property values are falling.  So, yes, Oakland County has been cutting its budget &#8211; check your facts and you&#8217;ll see that the County started its budget cutting back in 2002 and has been doing so each and every year since then.  The difference is that the County does multi-year budgeting, plans ahead, and started cutting earlier than everyone else.  You just don&#8217;t notice it because since the county started earlier, it hasn&#8217;t disrupted citizen services as has happened in other communities, simply because those other communities ignored reality and waited until it was too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From: http://www.oakgov.com/exec/about/patterson.html
&quot;Mr. Patterson presides over a $769 million dollar annual budget for FY2008 and a county workforce of nearly 4,000 full and part time benefit eligible employees.&quot;

In FY2008, the State of Michigan budget was set at $43 million.

Hummm, does anyone still wonder why the State of Michigan had a big budget crisis last year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From: <a href="http://www.oakgov.com/exec/about/patterson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oakgov.com/exec/about/patterson.html</a><br />
&#8220;Mr. Patterson presides over a $769 million dollar annual budget for FY2008 and a county workforce of nearly 4,000 full and part time benefit eligible employees.&#8221;</p>
<p>In FY2008, the State of Michigan budget was set at $43 million.</p>
<p>Hummm, does anyone still wonder why the State of Michigan had a big budget crisis last year?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Bardocz</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/oakland-countys-lessons-for-michigan/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Bardocz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Phil, you are not really comparing apples to apples with budgets here.  If you do the research you would understand that Oakland County is the fourth wealthiest county in the United States.  So of course it was not hard for Patterson to keep his  rich Oakland County budget balanced.

That’s like comparing a childless person who earns an annual income well above triple digit figures with being able to spend and stay within their means while then comparing them to a another person, with lots of children, who is earning minimum wage while being able to spend and stay within their means.  That is totally not a fair analogy!

And while staying within budget at any income level is smart and good, not everyone can do so if the incoming monies cannot possibly take care of all their needs. That is what all those other counties you wrote about are trying to do, as well as the unfortunate reality our own Governor Granholm has to contend with here in Michigan.

Let&#039;s get real!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Phil, you are not really comparing apples to apples with budgets here.  If you do the research you would understand that Oakland County is the fourth wealthiest county in the United States.  So of course it was not hard for Patterson to keep his  rich Oakland County budget balanced.</p>
<p>That’s like comparing a childless person who earns an annual income well above triple digit figures with being able to spend and stay within their means while then comparing them to a another person, with lots of children, who is earning minimum wage while being able to spend and stay within their means.  That is totally not a fair analogy!</p>
<p>And while staying within budget at any income level is smart and good, not everyone can do so if the incoming monies cannot possibly take care of all their needs. That is what all those other counties you wrote about are trying to do, as well as the unfortunate reality our own Governor Granholm has to contend with here in Michigan.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get real!</p>
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