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		<title>By: T. Allen Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/last-chance-to-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-3503</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Allen Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what of Governor Engler? What was his legacy? Taking a surplus and turning it in to a deficit by the time he left office, slashing anything that remotely helped people in the State and protected big business at all cost, took away people&#039;s rights to fair settlements when seriously injured so that insurance companies were protected at all costs, took away people&#039;s right to sue drug companies when someone died at the hands of a tainted product to save big business pharmaceutical companies, became involved in more environmental disasters by appointing the DEQ to over ride any environmental interests to protect big developers (Our Bay Harbor mess is a prime example as our leachate problem is an environmental disaster meant to last centuries), etc. The beer tax has not been touched in 40 years all the while the costs for treating alcoholism have continued to soar though treatment was never a priority. Instead John Engler left a legacy of building prisons in record numbers so that our costs for incarceration exceed our costs to educate people in Michigan. Don&#039;t worry Michigan; if we turn them in to idiots by not investing in education we can always lock &#039;em up. This state is a disgrace and we get what we pay for. It&#039;s obvious by our tax policies that we are not willing to pay for much. Except the lawmakers cushy benefits and retirement packages complete with health care for life. Wake up Michigan as we are in a race to the bottom with Mississippi and I think we are winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what of Governor Engler? What was his legacy? Taking a surplus and turning it in to a deficit by the time he left office, slashing anything that remotely helped people in the State and protected big business at all cost, took away people&#8217;s rights to fair settlements when seriously injured so that insurance companies were protected at all costs, took away people&#8217;s right to sue drug companies when someone died at the hands of a tainted product to save big business pharmaceutical companies, became involved in more environmental disasters by appointing the DEQ to over ride any environmental interests to protect big developers (Our Bay Harbor mess is a prime example as our leachate problem is an environmental disaster meant to last centuries), etc. The beer tax has not been touched in 40 years all the while the costs for treating alcoholism have continued to soar though treatment was never a priority. Instead John Engler left a legacy of building prisons in record numbers so that our costs for incarceration exceed our costs to educate people in Michigan. Don&#8217;t worry Michigan; if we turn them in to idiots by not investing in education we can always lock &#8216;em up. This state is a disgrace and we get what we pay for. It&#8217;s obvious by our tax policies that we are not willing to pay for much. Except the lawmakers cushy benefits and retirement packages complete with health care for life. Wake up Michigan as we are in a race to the bottom with Mississippi and I think we are winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce C McFee</title>
		<link>http://www.thecenterformichigan.net/last-chance-to-lead/comment-page-1/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce C McFee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I realize your wife inherited a set of circumstances that  were not caused by Governor Granholm’s  agenda.  While she seemed to think a socially progressive environment would make our state an attractive place to live and create jobs, she got thrown a curve ball.

The national economy tanked.   The manufacturing industry exited Michigan in mass.  The unfunded legacy costs for retired public employees continued to pyramid.   The state’s portion of  Medicaid continued to rise at rates substantially above inflation.   We put too many people in prison….

You could go on and on listing the things that have roots to previous administrations.

But the facts are that these circumstances did occur while your wife was governor.  As governor, it was her duty to deal with situation she was confronted with.  Instead, she dug her heals in, and protected the base, which were the public employee unions.  And she avoided any new proposals to cut the cost of Medicaid, prisons, or public employee retirements.

She will leave her term limited office with the state nearly bankrupt, and in need of massive budget cuts.  She kicked the can down to the next administration, and as a result history will probably judge her as a bad governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I realize your wife inherited a set of circumstances that  were not caused by Governor Granholm’s  agenda.  While she seemed to think a socially progressive environment would make our state an attractive place to live and create jobs, she got thrown a curve ball.</p>
<p>The national economy tanked.   The manufacturing industry exited Michigan in mass.  The unfunded legacy costs for retired public employees continued to pyramid.   The state’s portion of  Medicaid continued to rise at rates substantially above inflation.   We put too many people in prison….</p>
<p>You could go on and on listing the things that have roots to previous administrations.</p>
<p>But the facts are that these circumstances did occur while your wife was governor.  As governor, it was her duty to deal with situation she was confronted with.  Instead, she dug her heals in, and protected the base, which were the public employee unions.  And she avoided any new proposals to cut the cost of Medicaid, prisons, or public employee retirements.</p>
<p>She will leave her term limited office with the state nearly bankrupt, and in need of massive budget cuts.  She kicked the can down to the next administration, and as a result history will probably judge her as a bad governor.</p>
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		<title>By: dale westrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>dale westrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember one thing that a lady said on one of defineing moments meeting. I want it all I want it now and I don&#039;t what to pay for it. That is what happened in the past but this is the future. I am sure if we work for it we can have all we need and some of what we want but we need to start paying for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember one thing that a lady said on one of defineing moments meeting. I want it all I want it now and I don&#8217;t what to pay for it. That is what happened in the past but this is the future. I am sure if we work for it we can have all we need and some of what we want but we need to start paying for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Rabbi is worth quoting:  Abraham Heschel, co-marcher with Rev. King, said the &quot;opposite of good is not evil, it is indifference.&quot;  It&#039;s time to act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Rabbi is worth quoting:  Abraham Heschel, co-marcher with Rev. King, said the &#8220;opposite of good is not evil, it is indifference.&#8221;  It&#8217;s time to act.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Mulhern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Mulhern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
Your continued attempts to be a centrist continually cause you to compromise on the truth.  The idea that Governor Granholm (yes, my wife) has &quot;disgracefully&quot; ignored the committee she set up is flat out wrong.  Have you read the report lately?  Or followed Lansing politics?  Start with the latter:

Senator Bishop as you well know has been 100% ideologically opposed to any tax changes and remains so.  That is indisputable.  The report you reference documents in huge, long detail how Michigan&#039;s tax revenue has declined year over year (even without the recession).  Senator Bishop seems to want no part of understanding this.

Governor Granholm proposed a tax shift - one much like the Business Leaders for Michigan are today talking about, and which she and Dillon are meeting on - about 4 years ago.  It was quite consistent with the report you say she &quot;disgracefully&quot; ignored.  She continues to call for a shift to services that will be more tenable and fair.  Am I wrong?

The report you laud also calls for corrections reform which she has been doing consistently for years, balancing safety with budget issues.  Who fights this year after year?  It&#039;s not Dems in the legislature, Phil.  Is she afraid to take a stand?  Against the soon-to-be-fear-mongering opponents?  NO.  Against correction workers who do very hard jobs?  No.  So how about a little of that truth here?

Jennifer has made numerous cuts to the state budget.  There are about 10,000 less employees since 2000.  So, Phil, maybe a little truth.  I think your opinion is the real disgrace here.  You&#039;re smarter than that.

Why are you so afraid to admit what is so obvious: that it takes two to tango, and Senator Bishop has steadfastly refused to take any position than the one described above by T. Allen?  Do public workers need to sacrifice - as they have with furloughs and pay freezes?  Yes, everyone needs to pay a price.  But it&#039;s not like they&#039;re not, Phil.

You may have noticed that auto sales went from 17 million a year to about 9.  Perhaps you also noticed that GM and Chrysler and Delphi and Lear?  and....went bankrupt.  So, revenues have gone down and will be a long time returning.  Suggesting that we&#039;re back in the situation we&#039;re in SOLELY or even primarily because of Lansing - as opposed to a Great Recession is also just a bit misleading, no?


My wife has never been an ideologue, but has been a pragamatist.  She appointed that bi-partisan group.  She works well with many many republicans.  Ask Hillegonds.  Oh, for the  days of Sikkema.  Ask most in the business community.

Bring on the reforms. Put the heat where it belongs . . . on those who refuse to approach the table or dance floor.

Your admiring and disappointed friend (in all honesty),

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
Your continued attempts to be a centrist continually cause you to compromise on the truth.  The idea that Governor Granholm (yes, my wife) has &#8220;disgracefully&#8221; ignored the committee she set up is flat out wrong.  Have you read the report lately?  Or followed Lansing politics?  Start with the latter:</p>
<p>Senator Bishop as you well know has been 100% ideologically opposed to any tax changes and remains so.  That is indisputable.  The report you reference documents in huge, long detail how Michigan&#8217;s tax revenue has declined year over year (even without the recession).  Senator Bishop seems to want no part of understanding this.</p>
<p>Governor Granholm proposed a tax shift &#8211; one much like the Business Leaders for Michigan are today talking about, and which she and Dillon are meeting on &#8211; about 4 years ago.  It was quite consistent with the report you say she &#8220;disgracefully&#8221; ignored.  She continues to call for a shift to services that will be more tenable and fair.  Am I wrong?</p>
<p>The report you laud also calls for corrections reform which she has been doing consistently for years, balancing safety with budget issues.  Who fights this year after year?  It&#8217;s not Dems in the legislature, Phil.  Is she afraid to take a stand?  Against the soon-to-be-fear-mongering opponents?  NO.  Against correction workers who do very hard jobs?  No.  So how about a little of that truth here?</p>
<p>Jennifer has made numerous cuts to the state budget.  There are about 10,000 less employees since 2000.  So, Phil, maybe a little truth.  I think your opinion is the real disgrace here.  You&#8217;re smarter than that.</p>
<p>Why are you so afraid to admit what is so obvious: that it takes two to tango, and Senator Bishop has steadfastly refused to take any position than the one described above by T. Allen?  Do public workers need to sacrifice &#8211; as they have with furloughs and pay freezes?  Yes, everyone needs to pay a price.  But it&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re not, Phil.</p>
<p>You may have noticed that auto sales went from 17 million a year to about 9.  Perhaps you also noticed that GM and Chrysler and Delphi and Lear?  and&#8230;.went bankrupt.  So, revenues have gone down and will be a long time returning.  Suggesting that we&#8217;re back in the situation we&#8217;re in SOLELY or even primarily because of Lansing &#8211; as opposed to a Great Recession is also just a bit misleading, no?</p>
<p>My wife has never been an ideologue, but has been a pragamatist.  She appointed that bi-partisan group.  She works well with many many republicans.  Ask Hillegonds.  Oh, for the  days of Sikkema.  Ask most in the business community.</p>
<p>Bring on the reforms. Put the heat where it belongs . . . on those who refuse to approach the table or dance floor.</p>
<p>Your admiring and disappointed friend (in all honesty),</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Bishop&#039;s plan for a 5% compensation cut and 20% contribution for health benefits.  The problem is when something like this is suggested it&#039;s slammed by the opposite party.   My question is what have Granholm and Dillion offered as a fix ?  Besides increased taxes !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bishop&#8217;s plan for a 5% compensation cut and 20% contribution for health benefits.  The problem is when something like this is suggested it&#8217;s slammed by the opposite party.   My question is what have Granholm and Dillion offered as a fix ?  Besides increased taxes !</p>
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		<title>By: T. Allen Blackburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Allen Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been truly disgusted by all three of these people in their leadership position. I have never seen such a group of morons in my life. Bishop&#039;s plan to cut everybody&#039;s salary in the state by 5%, freeze their salaries for three years, make the state workers and school personnel pay 20% of their premiums and decimate health care for Medicaid clients is the usual Republican mantra. All the while he is cutting pay for everyone in the state, Mike will not take any kind of pay cut and, will enjoy his Cadillac health plan now and all through his retirement, is the usual out of touch position by our leaders in Lansing today. All of these clown need to be voted out and clean house. This is the sorriest group of politicians I have ever worked with in my entire time in the state of Michigan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been truly disgusted by all three of these people in their leadership position. I have never seen such a group of morons in my life. Bishop&#8217;s plan to cut everybody&#8217;s salary in the state by 5%, freeze their salaries for three years, make the state workers and school personnel pay 20% of their premiums and decimate health care for Medicaid clients is the usual Republican mantra. All the while he is cutting pay for everyone in the state, Mike will not take any kind of pay cut and, will enjoy his Cadillac health plan now and all through his retirement, is the usual out of touch position by our leaders in Lansing today. All of these clown need to be voted out and clean house. This is the sorriest group of politicians I have ever worked with in my entire time in the state of Michigan.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Boggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Boggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Mr. Power. We haven&#039;t had any one in control in Lansing for so long that hasn&#039;t put this state ahead of their personal wants and party politics. We need statemen not politicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Mr. Power. We haven&#8217;t had any one in control in Lansing for so long that hasn&#8217;t put this state ahead of their personal wants and party politics. We need statemen not politicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia McCollough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia McCollough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

Let&#039;s face it.  We need more than &quot;good smart people&quot; in Lansing.  We need sincere and courageous, unselfish, dedicated Leaders who actually care about the People of Michigan.  We need some politicians with the GUTS to step up to the plate and do &quot;the right thing for the right reasons.&quot;
Who knows, maybe after this election, we&#039;ll find more than a handful who appreciate the fact that it&#039;s the People they serve, not the political Parties or Special Interest groups.

Good article.....thanks for all you do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it.  We need more than &#8220;good smart people&#8221; in Lansing.  We need sincere and courageous, unselfish, dedicated Leaders who actually care about the People of Michigan.  We need some politicians with the GUTS to step up to the plate and do &#8220;the right thing for the right reasons.&#8221;<br />
Who knows, maybe after this election, we&#8217;ll find more than a handful who appreciate the fact that it&#8217;s the People they serve, not the political Parties or Special Interest groups.</p>
<p>Good article&#8230;..thanks for all you do!</p>
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