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By The Center for Michigan - February 14, 2007

In February of 2007, we asked "How do we best transform the size and role of government, and how best to pay for it?" We received some great answers and didn't want to lose all the ideas generated when we moved into our new web site.

We've archived the posts here and we ask you to respond with your thoughts on this page.

J. Welter (guest)
02/14/2007 1:31 PM  
I apologize these ideas are not developed here - but I think they should be brought up for discussion. You can tweak the tax code all you like, in the end - we need investment in this state to turn around the economy. Bubble up or trickle down, I don't care, we need money/jobs.1. We need to make Michigan an interesting place to work and live. Public transportation? Elaborate indoor recreation for the winter months? Trendy cities, etc.
2. At some point - we need to make a significant investment to draw business. Something creative will do. Example: Open a State sponsored data center and offer discounted/free data services to any company willing to relocate its Head quarters here. Or any company willing to create X amount of jobs that pay X amount or more.
3. Why isn't there more emphasis on making this state the Capitol of an Alternative Fuel Revolution? This state economy has been based on the automobile for so long, its what we are good at, its what we know, and care about. What happens if we lose the identity? I applaud Granholm's little victory bringing the Electric sports car maker here. We need more of that and a larger scale. We need a revolution and we need to market the state as the place its going to take place. Who would like to say, "Michigan, the state the changed the World?" If there are OTHER AUTO COMPANIES aside from our traditional ones interested in using this state, we should support them and welcome them.
Here's a big idea: Why doesn't Granholm buddy up with Gore (who I believe will announce at the oscars) and ask him to help Michigan by suggesting it as a place to start the battle against Global Warming?
I think you see where I am heading here...
 
 
jim dankovich (guest)
02/16/2007 8:07 AM  
The Prison, or " Corrections" System is 20% of state budget and employs 30% of the state workers. It currently needs large looks, not quick fixes. Juvenile incarceration, the fact that counties pass on the offenders to the state and end their fiscal responsibility, the automatic waivers of juveniles to adult status based on the position of the local prosecutor and the finances of juvenile incarceration, the fact that many of the persons incarcerated needed mental health help BEFORE incarceration( and were often unable to receive it), the privatization of the Prison system to save money (which in reality nearly eliminates mental or most other forms of care), the fact that the budget for prisons all but eliminates significant funding for reform of the prisoners, and the fact that our recividism rate as well as charging rate is extremely high (so we pay for prison not just once but often multiple times for the same prisoner), the fact that PRIVATIZATION OF PRISONS DOES NOT WORK, and the fact that if there is no incentive for good behavior via 3/4 time, all adds to a very complex problem. To bandaid it , especially without the input of persons working in the parole system, the prisons, and the department of corrections, is useless.... the dialog that needs to take place requires mental health professionals, people familiar with research as well...........
 
 
David Haron
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02/16/2007 9:43 AM  
We should sharply curtail all but necessary spending at local levels. Recently, the City of Farmington Hills spent some $80,000 on a "Sustainability Study" conducted by a Muskegon firm. The study essentially commended the City on its procedures, recommended a merger with Farmington and recommended increased density of building. Each of the recommendations could and have been developed by existing staff and community groups for free. The Farmington School District refused to save $53,000 last year by transferring its school election from May (when 2000 or so vote) to November (where many more thousands more vote regularly and the cost is born by the City or State). Both entities regularly complain that "revenue-sharing" is down. Unless all units of ggovernment start considering public funds as their own and do not spend these kinds of sums cavalierly, the fiscal crises will never end.
 
 
David Haron (guest)
02/16/2007 11:07 AM  
As a lifelong resident of Michigan, 30 year resident of Farmington Hills, 10 year Planning acommission member, UM graduate and 37 year attorney, I am very worried about what is occuring.

I have not seen any leadership or vision for what we need. We are sinking, our children are leaving (one of mine is in Pennsylvania, wildly more successful than he could be here, and the other teaching in Brooklyn in a public school with equipment and programs lightyears ahead of ours (after a career-until 9/11 and her presence at the Trade Center plaza, in corporate event planning--again something she couldn't have done here) ) and someone is going to turn off the lights.

We need strong words, town meetings with every possible group-not only to get the word out, but to get the word in. You can help.

I believe the Governor should arrange state-wide retreats for every group-- corporate leaders and unions, service groups and manufacturers, parents, teachers and students, trial lawyers and the Chamber, hospitals, doctors, nurses, insurers and patients etc.--together and separate, to brainstorm with trained facilitators, and come up with ideas to solve our problems and move forward on unison. This has been done sporadically but I suggest it all happen on one day, one week or one month with tremendous publicity and involvement. The media should then list all the ideas and the Governor and Legislature and the private sector should devise a public action plan and move forward.

Unless we stop and consider where we are and how to get going, we are finished--and it's high the Governor said so in no uncertain terms. She can't run again so now is the time to take some risks.

 
 
Steve (guest)
02/16/2007 1:15 PM  
KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!

The present beer tax is 1.9 cents per 12 oz serving. This generates $45 million annually. Raise it to $.50 per serving and we'd get $1,814 billion, or for a quarter per glass we'd recieve over $600 million. And, of course, ear mark all of the tax for education. This would wipe out the $377 million shortfall, pay for the Governors Early Childhood project starting this year, and leave a little left over to sweeten the foundation grant.

 
 
Chuck Fellows (guest)
02/16/2007 2:41 PM  
Great Web reference. Thank you.

Hope lots of people view it.

Reminded me of "Big Picture Small World" and some of their Web 'movies'

 
 
dharon (guest)
02/16/2007 4:05 PM  
More importantly, how were the Governor, Mary Coleman and the Mayor of Ann Arbor blind-sided. Pfizer's alleged economic troubles were common knowledge. Why did the leadership and their economic development people wait until the CEO called on a Friday to do anything. Where were they before the fact and why didn't they have a team in place to bring a substitute in to take over the plant and the research? We seem to be reacting and not acting very proactively--except in finding ways to tax us. it is like putting air into a flat tire without fixing the leak!!
 
 
Jeff Jenks (guest)
02/18/2007 11:19 PM  
If Michigan residents want to survive the next two generations we need to have a vision of what this state stands for. We need to set our priorities for what Michigan will look like -- what the jobs will be, what our roads and bridges will look like -- will we support continual sprawl? We need to explore the quality of our communications systems - and see if recent changes in our telecommunications and cable TV laws will benefit or harm residents? We need to support the arts -- and to make sure that there is still funding and space for the arts as a magnet that differentialtes Miichigan. We need to understand what our cities and townships will look like and will they continue to provide quality living situations that retain existing residents and draw new ones from afar. We need to incentivize the state's concept of cool or neat cities, and the Sierra Club's cool cities, that consere energy and the environment. Our parks can't be wiped out, sold or privatized and made into giant Wal Mart malls or condo towers, by short-sighted local politicians or state politicians. We need to figure out how the local United Ways will sustain the services they have traditionally assisted and how they can fund new needed private sector services. Will funding for community colleges and universities be politically distributed as in recent years or will we set some fair funding floors and then pay additionally for graduate centers of excellence. Students must have larger public higher education vouchers - if they meet minimum standards. We need to look at our public elementary and secondary schools and make sure they each turn out outstanding students -- adjusting class sizes to meet the needs of the STUDENTS, and add incentives to bring the best and brightest teachers into the most difficult school classrooms and buildings - so that we can change the future. We need to return control of health care and hospital beds to a more efficient environment. As hospitals with exotic resources move to the outer rings of our region -- planning on accessing the private sector Blue Cross covered retirees and workers -- we need to realize that funding of this nature is drying up. We need to match a health care funding logic, which is fast disappearing, with the reality of the future -- otherwise our outer edges may be ringed by expensive dinosaurs.For me education at the beginning of the cycle including responsible retraining for workers that loose their jobs, must be affordable at least with public education. This must be the backbone for Michigan's future. Many people attack the salaries of educators. In my opinion they should be high since they are going to teach the kids that will make Michigan a competitive job state again. The teacher's job should be one that more people seek out. And I wouldn't decrease benefits but I would re-examine their cost, if they are being bid out most competitively, and if there couldn't be a greater cost sharing similar to that in most other jobs. Education is no longer a job for the second earner in the family. It should be a sought after first earner job.

And health care must also be there. Now that we're proposing to save money by getting rid of health care as a future/retirement benefit where will this health care support come from? I think in recent years the Federal government has pulled back from a lot of its prior payments to states for part of this coverage, and the research aspects that lower the cost of future health care. The Federal government must resue a more proactive and financial role - so that we will stop being a Federal tax donor state. The Federal government needs to begin by covering catastrophic illness for all Americans -- perhaps covering everytihing over $100,000 a year. It would lower employer premiums since high risk would be assumed Federally. It would go some distance towards lowering manufacturing corporate and government legacy costs.

Consolidation is seen as a panacea. In reality even if all of the school districts and cities consolidated the saving woudl be fairly small in the overall budget shortfall. If you combined 500 school districts and the 500 smaller cities how much would you really save. Out of a $2.6 billion shortfall you might save 10% - assuming $260,000 in savings per unit of government -- in a perfect world. Not that much -- but the idea is good, and the Governor and Maxine Berman's incentives are a smart move to begin the process. I think a lot could be consolidated between cities and school districts and this doesn't seem to be on the table, as of yet. Most townships (except for the large urban townships) don't spend that much on providing services so that the savings wouldn't be that great for this large number of units of government.

The loss of the current SBT, and the half billion or more in cuts during the Engler administration must be replaced. The $2.1 billion or more must be made up somehow - and it shouldn't just be shifted to local taxpayers. People aren't leaving just because of high taxes. We have a lot of manufacturing leaving America. It's not just rust belt cars and large ticket items -- it's also fabrics and materials from the southern and New England states. And some of the manufacturing shifts, in some cases are proving to be unwise. Businesses must pay a fair share of the costs of government since they use our roads, water and sewer systems, and do require services. But yes, the SBT as currently constituted is unfair. I think though that businesses need to have some kind of share in the costs of running our government and it should be at least at the $2 - $2.5 billion level. But one way of dealing with some of this expense would be to revisit State Representative Andy Meisners list of "loopholes" in our state tax system and close most of those loopholes. If they're business related then reduce a new SBT by most of those loopholes. It could be that you could make a substantial cut in the business taxes per corporation, by closing most of those loop holes.

I like the idea of broadening the sales tax, as long as its done with fairness and logic. I too would like to see "educational" and "political campaigns" taxed during election season. It seems now that we are seeing an attempt at marketing to buy elected offices, above the State House level in Michigan. Private employers and lobby groups see that they can often buy the elected officials they want, by helping pay for most of the costs of marketing a candidate. There are lots of million dollar races in Michigan. Go above a certain threshhold in campaign spending on TV, media, direct mailings, phone banks, or education by non-profit or other groups during the 6 months before an election and tax a portion of those funds and make them give a share for -- pay to play. But I would consider redistributing these political related funds to some campaigns to get a better balanced approach.

Let's get out of the wharehousing of all criminals, and revisit our sentencing patterns. Perhaps this was best brought home with the recent release of Nathaniel Abraham. Keeping him in prison costs $40 - $50,000 a year. Educating him with room and board will cost half of that, and if it works he will be a tax payer, not a tax burden. 50 years in prison for a 21 year old at $50,0000 a year is $2.5 miliion dollars. And that's what we are doing to many inner city kids throughout the state. We think withholding quality education with small classrooms, and some meal support programs, and high pay for those central city schools is the correct logic. But all we are doing is creating long-term $2.5 million dollar burdens. We need to rethink prison vs. education. We let a prisoner out, especially those most likely to return, and we don't invest seriously in making sure they don't come back.

And I think we need to start examining our State Senate and find out why we have a team of "NO" players there but in the State House both parties can now work together? We can't afford another 10 years of NO players in the Legislature. We need to work across party lines, at least on 80 - 90% of the issues, to move Michigan forward to the head of the line.

I'm not leaving and I want honest solutions!

 
 
Mary Urso (guest)
02/19/2007 11:25 AM  

Dear Phil Power,

In your "Leaders need to communicate better on state's money crisis" article in the Thursday, February 15, 2007 Observer & Eccentric, you mentioned that "not many people understand or care about how bad a fix we're in". I'd like to comment on this.

Personally, I would answer in agreement to the speculation that I don't understand how bad a fix we're in, but also, I would have to disagree on the caring part. I docare about our State and I think the majority of people in the State of Michiganalso care. I think we can all see that every downward turn of events that affect Michiganbusinesses, schools and homeowners will ultimately lead to a diminishing quality of life for us Michiganders. Deep down, I believe that we all know this, and do care.

The reason that I may not understand how bad a fix we're in is mainly due to the fact that I am an average citizen, and am not well versed in the specifics of how the Michigan government is structured, how much money is spent on this or that, etc. Because I am just an ordinary citizen, living my life as a full-time mom with a part-time job, trying to keep up with my kids and life in general, I don't believe I could ever know the full scope of what the Michigangovernment could do to help. I frequently read news articles like yours to keep informed, but the more I learn about this issue, the more I realize I how complex it is, and how much I don't know about it. I walk away with a feeling of vulnerability as an uninformed citizen, depending on our lawmakers to do the right thing, because they do know all the facts, and they were put in office precisely for this reason - to take in all the facts that are not readily accessible to the public, and make decisions that are best for us. I would like to think of the legislative body as a mother that has the knowledge to make the right decisions for the welfare of her child. The Michiganlegislature is holding my hand and leading me, and I hope their mothering instincts are strong.

I always enjoy your column.

Thanks,

Mary Urso

 
 
Judy Nash (guest)
02/22/2007 3:58 PM  
I read with some interest your column in today's paper and find myself of two minds about it. I am a woman who is/was fairly active in my community. I was involved in the school system - volunteer, PTO member and President, millage election volunteer, advisory committees, etc. I sat on the county's Health Board for years. I participated in and managed (successful) campaigns for State Rep and Probate Judge. I was a member and President of the League of Women Voters. I graduated law school. And I raised four children (successfully, I assume, as none are living at home!). I listen to the news on TV, read 3 newspapers, and subscribe to various publications devoted mostly to politics. I am an owner with my husband of a small machine shop which deals mainly with the auto industry.

Your piece today seems to want to shift the onus of decision-making from our elected officials to us mere citizens. And your quote from David Brooks appears to want us to feel sorry for the poor folk who are bombarded on all sides to make decisions for us. I quite understand the "go along to get along" philosophy that is prevalent in today's governing, but that does not mean that I agree with it or feel sorry for those who subscribe. And I don't believe for a second that they are as worried about their constituents' happiness as much as they are their "investors" interests. They vote the way they're told, usually without reading the bill beforehand (because they're too busy - talking, traveling, kissing up . . .). And they speak what they're told to speak (making for a very cohesive front, but without individual thought or conviction). I know that my voice should be heard, but when a decision is to be made I fear my voice is weak compared to dollars and perks. I look at Mike Rogers who changed his position on Choice (more money from Right to Life, I assume) and Mitt Romney (who has suddenly taken a dramatic Right turn on so many fronts since he decided to run for President - again, money talks loudly) and I fear their values are for sale to the highest bidder.

I agree that the electorate should be vigilant. But we also are bombarded with personal circumstances - family, friends, mortgages, illnesses, jobs, health insurance, etc. We elect these people because we cannot adequately oversee our school boards' business, our city or township's business, our state's business and our Federal government's business. If we could, we wouldn't need them. We trust them to make decisions in our best interests, not theirs or their party's.

I totally agree with you that our state is at a Mississippi/Simi Valley type crossroad and that leadership is desperately needed. We voted for term limitations in hopes that our elected officials could make rational decisions not based on obligation. That just hasn't worked out. We've instead lost experience and replaced it with people who have no long-term accountability and maybe no short-term accountability either. Not a good trade.

Which brings me to CE. I had heard nothing of it until just recently. CE is Clean Elections. It is, basically, elections that are publicly funded, or rather, candidates. It obligates the elected to no one except the public and opens the door to candidates who are either not wealthy enough to mount a campaign or who do not have the financial connections to mount one. It has been very successful in many states (Arizonacomes to mind) and on various levels of government, including State positions and Appeals Courtjudges. This, to me, is very appealing. It makes the elected accountable to us, not the deep pockets. And it frees them to make decisions based on their values and their constituency's best interests, for a change. Have you heard of this? It doesn't sound like the same thing we have here in Michigan.

I realize I may sound a bit long in the tooth, but I am not alone in feeling a major change is needed - maybe election law reforms, maybe a viable third party, maybe CE. I am tired of hearing how healthy our economy is when my husband is having the worst years in business (thanks to tariff changes and free trade agreements he cannot even purchase materials for what his customers can get the work done overseas or in Mexico). We are so thankful our economy is so strong. But if it gets any stronger, we may be moving in with our children! The talking heads can say what they want, but it doesn't change reality, and we the people are catching on.

"The din grows, the pressure rises. And our public officials are plunk in the middle of the pressure cooker." Horsefeathers!! It's only a pressure cooker if they choose it to be. Peel away all the monetary layers and the power for power's sake mentality and the decisions become clearer and easier. They just need to do the right thing - for the state, for it's people. The real question is: do they have the backbone and scruples to do it? My fear is they do not, and they will not short of some kind of revolution.

I commend you for your efforts, especially regarding The Center for Michigan. Your voice is sometimes the only sane voice I hear. Do know that you are not alone - you speak for many of us, even many that do not know you are speaking!

Thank you for plowing through this. I could probably rant on for pages more, but I need to put away my soap box now.

Keep up your valiant efforts - they are appreciated.

Sincerely,

Judy R. Nash

 
 
Adam Smith (guest)
02/23/2007 2:22 PM  
If higher taxes and increased government spending are the "investment strategy" that is the key to Michigan's economic future, why not raise state tax rates to 100% and let Lansing redistribute all personal income?
 
 
EdingtonRR (guest)
02/25/2007 3:12 AM  
I have read with interest the open letter to the citizens of Michigan. I have also browsed the comments posted here about it. I have contacted my Governor, my Senator and my Representative with my opinions. I would like each of my fellow citizens to realize that we are the government. The Governor and our other elected officials are employed by us. We must take the actions required of successful employers to be sure our employees know how we want them to perform the work we have employed them to do for us. We must also be sure they understand what work we want them to do for us and what work we want to do for ourselves. Please think about what you can do for yourself. Thank You!
 
 
Fred (guest)
02/28/2007 12:04 PM  
I have read the Center's 8 step plan to dig out of Michigan's financial mess and I think it is well thought out. For many years I have believed we do not need a township level of government. Any thing it accomplishes (minimal) is duplicatory. It is beyond time to force regional government on most, if not all, of our major cities/counties. The duplication of efforts is a huge waste of money; fire/police protection, streets, water supply/waste water, solid waste the list goes on. We must force school consolidation on the administration level. We have school districts such as Dansville, Webberville, Stockbridge etc. with enrollments in the hundreds of pupils and with two or three buildings and each has a superintendent witha salary at or near $100,000. At the same time, for example, we have Lansing with several thousand students, 30 plus buildings and a superintendent due to make $180,000. Clearly the latter is a better deal. Your tax ideas are reasonable and seem to do much to spread the burden. But I would add one tax and that is on diesel fuel for large trucks. And the trucking companies should not be allowed topass the tax on to consumers. Michigan roads are among the worst in the nation and the primary rreason is we are the only state to allow the 80,000 pound load limit. Why? Further the trucking companies would not suffer much, it is a profitable business. How else to explain the plehtora of trucking companies? One additional tax needed is on church owned property which is not primarily for the purpose of worship. Many churches own prime Great Lakes, inland lakes and river frontage for the use of recreational camps. These properties should be on the property tax roles. As it is the state is supporting religious entities, a violation of the constitution. On the subject of prison costs, we really need to consider releasing minor drug offenders, the old and infirm, and perhaps others jailed for non-violent crimes. It now appears our minimum sentencing laws are working against us. It seems to me that an energy conservation policy needs to be part of a recovery strategy. There are many ways that all levels of government could lead and even assist the public in implememting minor changes that collectively could reduce energy usage by significant amounts. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
 
 
Thomas E. Anderson (guest)
03/01/2007 8:57 AM  
Plaudits to Minnesota's governor for recognizing the obvious. Business decisions are driven by more than tax cost. Otherwise, many of the states in the northeast would be devoid of business, and clearly that is not the case. Businesses, and especially today's technology and knowledge intensive businesses, look for other, more significant factors, such as an educated and available workforce, and active and productive knowledge creation industry (university R&D is a large part of this), availability of growth capital and the necessary supporting industries to maintain and grow their business. Michigan is blessed with some of these factors, but stands at a crucial decision point to make the right choices and be able to maintain critical advantages. Any budget reductions must be made in ways that don't decimate our educational system, including all the components from elementary through community colleges, four year colleges and universities and support of cutting edge research capabilities at our institutions. In the private sector, the most important time to invest in the business is usually when competition is the most intense and market share is shrinking. I'd suggest it's no different for the state, and that we must find ways to not only maintain crucial investment but to actually increase support of the pillars that will create and support our long term growth. Surely inefficiencies must be identified and eliminated. But, a business can't always just cost-cut its way to success and prosperity; is it any different for a state?
 
 
susan (guest)
03/01/2007 9:51 AM  
Re: "Dysfunctionality" of the current budget process. My only complaint w/Mr. Kitchens characterization is not that we 'look' dysfunctional...we ARE dysfunctional. Businesses won't invest in Michigan until we figure out what our tax structure will look like. Moreover, if the end result is a state that continues to dis-invest in community services, education, infrastructure and the environment, they STILL won't invest here.For years, economic developers have understood that the key to successfully competing is deciding the value you want to provide to the businesses that make your community home, and then making the investments that are necessary to live up to the expectations that creates. It appears that our leaders have decided that our 'value' is 'cheaper'. The problem with that strategy, is that there will always be somewhere cheaper, and businesses that are dependent on that and that alone will always be the most footloose. We can do better than that.
 
 
Gary Doyle (guest)
03/01/2007 11:10 AM  
The chances of the Legislature approving a plan to have all school employees covered under one master agreement are slim to none. A more reasonable plan would be to have all school employees covered under the same health insurance plan. We already have the model for this with retired school employees being covered under a plan managed by the state. Health insurance costs are the single most difficult cost to control for local school districts. Having the MEA in the insurance business complicates this picture. Contract negotiations frequently break down over health insurance issues. Variations in teacher pay, to some extent, can be justified on the basis of differences in cost of living. All teachers need and deserve quality health insurance. Having all active and retired employees in the same health insurance plan would substantially reduce costs for local school districts.
 
 
oberpeul (guest)
03/01/2007 9:01 PM  
Great idea to have teachers as state employees. I think it would improve, and streamline, education and benefits.
 
 
tom cremonte (guest)
03/02/2007 6:54 PM  
This is an great idea with many possibilites. If this is structed similarly to the state police, each area could operate independantly and have some ability to meet the community needs. This can work.
 
 
Penny Ruff (guest)
03/04/2007 4:34 PM  

Posted By admin on 02/09/2007 10:56 AM
How do we best transform the size and role of government, and how best to pay for it?

Ya Know, I realy don't mind helping to pay for needed services, however just what is really needed?They want to increase sales tax across the board, that is fair, but they are also increasing my property taxes and my health insurance, dental insurance and we pay out of our pockets for eye glasses.Since 1999 my property taxes have increased every year. Our children are growen and have families of their own. This year it is proposed $3300.00 in assessed value, last year it was $26oo.oo, now my husband is retired and I would like to, but I guess I should stay working.

 
 
David Bos (guest)
03/05/2007 11:36 AM  
Phil,

Thank you for your willingness to bring this question out in the open.

As a lifelong Michigan resident, past educator, and business person for the last 34 years, I would not favor the education system of our State being taken over by State governement. The question that seems to go begging is, "If we pursue this approach, where will accountability come from?" In an effort to save dollars, will we send our children into, what could arguably be, the largest and least controllable bureaucracy ever created in this State. I would think that we should think long and hard before going down the path of further turning the future of our children over to a bureaucracy that cannot, by its nature, be forced to be nearly accountable enough to the parents of this State. Who will stand accountable? Will the Govenor's office? Will the legislature? Will the State Board of Education? We can engage in all kinds of meaningless platitudes, about holding public officials accountable,but certainly, no longer will the parents have much say. I would propose that it will be controlled by a new pack of bureaucrates and bureaubrats (demagogues).

As a business person, our experiences, in dealing with State of Michigan bureaucracy, have been something far less than what any sane person could or would expect. What type of business, when faced with a precipitous drop in business, would triple fees to their Customers (The people of the State of Michigan) instead of reducing staff and expenses. Where would any business be today, if they refused to return phone calls and scolded the caller for calling too much? Welcome to the State of Michigan's existing bureaucracy today! A business that did this would be out of business which is where we seem to have gotten ourselves. And what business is foolish enough to want to relocate into that environment? This is the stuff that is not being discussed. Of course I am digressing off the topic at hand, however, what is there that differs, once you create the monster?I ask,"Wouldn"t this create new a monster"?

I believeIf you look at the definition of bureaucracy in Websters it says this. "A body of nonelectivegovernment officials characterized by specialization of functions, adherence to fixed rules, and a hierarchy of authority. A system of administration marked by officialism, red tape, and proliferation." (underlining is mine) That is the reality of the State of Michigan today. That surely sounds like the type of system that I want my grandchildren exposed to! What would lead anyone to believe that turning over the future of our children to the State of Michigan would end up not being bureaucratic, at best? Do we want our children trapped in a system that will be self perpetuating? I fully realize that I am not offering any viable solution. Only reacting to what I percieve as a proposed solution that may be worse than the current problem.

Thank You

 
 

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